I want to download software onto 5.25 inch floppies and run them on my IIe. Is there anyway I can download disk images and transfer them onto a 5.25 inch floppy? If there is could someone please tell me how. Thank you.
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Sure, get a copy of ADT and transfer away. See:
http://adt.berlios.de
If you need some info on serial connections, the ADTPro website has pictures and such:
http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/connectionsserial.html
ADT and ADTPro are related, but since you have a PC and a 5-1/4" drive on your Apple, you only need ADT.
I have a 5.25 inch floppy drive on my pc. Is there a way I can format the floppy to prodos through my pc and put stuff on it?
That I know of, anyone who knows better can correct me, PC 5.25 drives CANNOT format disks for Apple II computers. You'll need to transfer the file to your II using either ADT or ADTPro, which wil write the program to the 5.25 disk drive on your Apple II.
Dean
I don't have a serial card on my IIe. But i have a serial port on my IIc. But the IIc has a dead keyboard rom. When I transfer, will it save to the disk, not the RAM on the apple II?
Can you type anything with the keyboard? You need to be able to use the keyboard to tell ADT/ADTPro what program you want the Apple to receive from the host computer and where to save it.
Sorry for the double post.
You are in a bit of a sticky wicket, aren't you? You can't use the 5-1/4" drive on your PC. You can't do the transfer on the IIc without a keyboard to control things. Your only option left is to do audio-based transfers with ADTPro (http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/connectionsaudio.html).
So here is what I have. My apple IIc has modem/printer port. I can't type a single character on that thing. And I didn't even know about the audio transfer thing. Thanks for telling me about that. I don't have a super serial card on my IIe and I can't find any on ebay. I also didn't know about typing in ADT on the apple IIc. I'm a little lost here.
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I have an Apple IIc Plus, and external 5.25" drive. The IIc Plus has a built-in 3.5" drive. Is there any way to use a vintage Mac (such as LC III, Quadra series, etc.) to format a 3.5" disk for ProDOS, and copy a .dsk image onto it using the Mac, then use the IIc Plus to copy from 3.5" onto 5.25"?
Also I picked up an Apple III but have no software for it. I found disk images for it online, but I have no clue how to get them onto a disk that the Apple III can read. Any ideas?
Sure, just use MacADT on the LC III to transfer images directly to the IIc. Here is some discussion about it:
http://77.99.98.131/Sample%20Files%20&%20Templates/serial.html
And here is the copy of MacADT that guy is hosing:
http://77.99.98.131/Sample%20Files%20&%20Templates/macadt121.sit
I got the transfers to work. Thanks for your help everyone. I use audio transfers. Works great!
Nono, I mean- is there a way to do it WITHOUT using MacADT?
Why can't you just attach the 5.25" drive directly to the Mac and copy it over that way? Or use the Mac to format a ProDOS disk and then copy the files to it using the Mac? Is there no way to do it this way?
Just curious.
-=DG=-
Also those websites you linked to don't work.
You can't hook a apple II 5.25 disk drive directly to a Mac. The closest you could come is to use one of the older Macs that has an Apple IIe card in it. You connect the drive to the IIe card and you're in business.
Which system software are you using on your Mac? Depending on how old it is you could format a 3.5 disk with Prodos, but unless you've got a GS or a Universal Disk Drive Controller card in your IIe you're still out of luck.
The unfortunate truth of the matter is that with a modern Mac you can only transfer programs to your II via something like MacADT or ADTPro. At least as far as I know.
Dean
Sorry about that - looks like his site is down. After all, as he says - "Built and Served on a Powerbook 540c." One day, the parent site may be back up:
http://www.haddockdot.co.uk/
Here's where I originally found out about it:
http://68kmla.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9743&sid=7f0cc20f657e3db87109f08749f9d75e
Plugging an Apple II 5.25" drive into a Mac may fry the drive, the drive controller and/or the Mac. It's not a good idea overall.
:/ Good thing it did not lol.
Well good news is I've got plenty of serial cables and old Macs to do the xfers with. Now to buy a bunch of 5.25 disks on ebay.
OK so I have been able to successfully transfer .dsk files from an SE/30 to an Apple //c. It was pretty straight forward. I got the Lemonade disk to work.
However, I copied the Apple3SystemUtils.dsk file onto a disk using the MacADT to ADT on the Apple //c. But then I get an "I/O Error" when I try to start up the Apple /// from that disk.
So I am not sure if the Apple /// is faulty, or if perhaps there is something I'm doing wrong in how I'm copying the ADT files over. I heard that the Apple /// uses a different disk format than the //-series. (16 tracks vs. 14 or something).
I format my disk (SS/DD 140kb) using INIT HELLO on the Apple //c. Then I used ADT to copy from MacADT on the SE/30. I used 19200 speed which worked for all my Apple //-series transfers.
Is there something else I have to do to get Apple /// stuff to work? I really want to get it up and running but so far I've been unsuccessful.
I transfered Apple III .DSKs from my PC to an Apple IIe using ADT. They all worked fine. The Apple IIe would not boot them or read them, But when I transfered the disk to an Apple III, it booted right up.
Another problem I ran into with the Apple III is that if any of the RAM is bad, it would not load a disk. If the Apple III has been setting for awhile then I would run a RAM check on it.
How do you run the RAM check on Apple ///? I will be glad to test this theory of yours, littlejohn, but I have no idea how to run a RAM test without being able to even boot up the machine. I understand that at one point in time, there did exist a "Apple III Dealer Diagnostic diskette" (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=145&coll=ap) but I have no idea how to obtain one. Unless you have a .DSK file of one of course!
I fear that my drive may be bad however... it seems to try to read the disk and the red light goes on for about 5-10 seconds before I get the I/O ERROR. And if I insert non-Apple-/// disks like a ProDOS boot disk, it just beeps angrily and gives the old RETRY ; message. So I am at a loss here.
It is an Apple III internal RAM check. If I remember correctly, you break into the monitor routine, and type 'F6E6G' then ENTER. I will have to do some searching for further information.
Break into the monitor routine? What exactly does that mean? How do you do it? Thanks for any info.
I also might just have dirty drive heads... who knows. I think my Apple /// is one of the earlier units that was prone to failure. So we'll see what happens but I might just sell it for parts on eBay if all else fails.
Completing this thread for posterity...
You break into the ///'s monitor with Ctrl-OpenApple-Reset. You will get the Arrow prompt and a blinking underline cursor. From there, you can enter some simple monitor commands.
You can also bootstrap the /// into ADTPro running under SOS over the built-in serial port. See the new bootstrapping procedure here.
There is a guy up on ebay that sells reproduction utility disks for the ///.
User name is Apple-Nut. I have bought several disks from him in the past, although I have yet to use them due to the fact that I haven't completed restoring my ///.
Yeah, I'm not sure I like the idea of the guy pulling images off of Asimov or wherever and selling them on ebay. Anyway, now you can make them yourself.
David,
I'm not sure where Apple-Nut is pulling his copies from, but like I said, he has been selling copies of utilities and drivers for the /// for almost a year. I have bought some myself. At that time I was just getting back into working on the Apple II's and decided that if I could pick up a /// cheap I'd get one and rebuild it. lol I wound up with four of them in various states of operation.
Lately, I am starting to get into .dsk transfers for some of the older games and utilities for the II. I am almost set to get ADT Pro and get some good stuff.
Well, where he's getting them isn't really the issue - it's the fact that they aren't his to sell. He's clearly creating his own copies and selling them; they aren't originals, he doesn't own the copyright to them, and they aren't open source.
In a similar vein ... I'm using a program which is ahareware. The author requests $20 and lists his name and phone #. The program has a 1988 copyright date. I googled both the phone number and name, no results. Called the number and it is no longer the authors and the guy who answered had never heard of him.
I like the software and will continue to use it but not sure if there is anything else I can do. Opinion ?
If you'd really like to try to get this person the money for the shareware program you could start a new thread titled "Trying to contact . . . . . ." (of course putting the authors name in where I put the periods). If they are still active or someone knows how to contact them you'll get a response. If you don't have a response after about a month then assume that there is no way to contact them or they are no longer interested in that program. That way you will have at least made another effort to get in touch with the author to see if they still want payment for the program.
Just my two cents worth,
Dean
Thanks, Dean. I will do this.
Apologize up front for dredging up this ancient thread, but a couple of lessons-available here:
If great information is to be found in links posted, it would be worthwhile to copy and paste pertinent information, since we know links often go bad over time.
No telling what was on the links above, though apparently they contained great "how-to" information that many well be lost to the currents of cyberspace.
If you ever wonder what was at a link in the past, archive.org (the internet wayback machine) is your friend.
Everything you need to know about transferring disk images is still here:
http://adtpro.sourceforge.net
Why would one want to use ADT instead of ADTPro?
If you had an early Windows box, you could avoid dealing with Java. But in the years since this thread was reanimated the reasons have become fewer and farther between.
My own reasons are cost: I have everything necessary for running MacADT, and I'm currently living on a very limited pension - so even purchasing a cable to use for ADT Pro must be considered an expense.