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I created this thread to discuss unusual cards (request info from the community, etc) for the Apple II series.
I've come across this beastie:
EuroInterfaces 68000 INTEMEX AP-20 from a company called IBS COMPUTERTECHNIK
All the documentation (photocopied) is in German, which I only remember a little from middle school days. There are also disk for CP/M and Pascal - it appears it can be used as a floating point engine and also for 68K development.
Anyone know anything else about it, and maybe have English docs?
Also, I've attached a pick of a 2 card 68K system, 'DTACK Grande' - no info on that, or software.
EDIT: Steve Hirsch tells me what I thought was a DTACK Grande board is actually the ETC PDQ 68K system. Whoohoo!
Hello sfahey,
it´s correct, the card was manufactured by the German company IBS.
Unfortunatly they never have translated their stuff to english language.
I have put the entirre dtuff from IBS ( all of their cards and documentation )
up in my site. This card was able to do far more.... for example it was possible to run 68KCPM
on that card to....
here the link to the page related to the card in my site:
http://www.appleii-box.de/APPLE2/IBSKARTEN/appleboxAppleIIIBSAP20.htm
I´ve uploaded more than 600 pages to the site during the last weeks and it´s quite a hard task,
but all that 600 pages will be translated within the second half of this year...
i hope at least that i may solve that task within that period of time....
sincerely speedyG
Thanks Speedy - I guess I better brush up on mein Deutsch.
Sean,
These two cards are new to me.
Both look very interesting.
Steven
Hello sfahey,
that will be hard task.... unless you don´t try ro find someone for translation it might take a while....
as i explained i have shoveled up more than 500 pages of stuff and translation to english pages will
take quite a while because i am performing that translation task besides other tasks....
so till the pages will be availiable in english to might require up to one year of time waiting.....
the progress will be indicated by the add of the english flags to the contentpage...... those with
the Britflag are then availiable in english language too.....
but besides waiting for the translation some information should have been recognized yet:
with the card inserted you might be able to run cpm68K at the apple....
( quite similar like running cpm with a Z80 card inserted ) and by that you could use the
connected hardware of the apple with the "external cpu" similar the way that the z80 used the apple.
And i have some more stuff about that card too in the dungeons of my archive that will rise up in the next months.....
(including disks related to the card - it was one of the first cards at the apple II series that could be programmed
with plain c compiler...... ) 2 of that cards have been used in the 80´s in Munich at the university in the
astronomy and math labratory....
it indeed was in the 80´s one of the few possibilties to get the full scientific power of the 68000 processor to the fingertips of the apple user...
speedyG
Hallo together, I would like to implement the IBS AP 20 in my (currently unpublished while beta) Apple 65 Emulator project. I will get a card but I need some software for it. Does anybody has such a card and is able to make images from the Software on 140K Apple II Disks? I also need documentation for the card and if available from the 256 K Expansion Board AP25, so I will implement both. Please mail me at js@jsob.de
Meanwhile I implemented the card because I got the whole standard documentation. It runs CP/M, UCSD-Pascal IV, Forth, Chess Game, AppleSoft Floating Point Acceleration Routines, Ram Disk Software incl. using INTBASIC instead of a language card with the AP20. If anybody need something or has something for me to go further on withn this card, please let me know.
Very cool. I don't have the card, but I look forward to trying it in your emulator.
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I would like to test it, but impossible to find its software on the Internet...
maybe someone in the forum has this software?
Thanks !
Most of what you will find with this card resides in this very thread.
A Fritter member SpeedyG posted some things about this card several year back. Everything (and likely the card itself) originated from a german speaking developer and there was limited software available for it, but this photo kinda speakes for itself ...
So I did a search for the software and found empty links for it here:
https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Interface%20Cards/CPU/ETC%20PDQ%20II%20-%2068000/Disk%20Images/
Also, a little more on the card: https://www.appleii-box.de/APPLE2/IBSKARTEN/appleboxAppleIIIBSAP20.htm
We don't know what happened to SpeedyG several years back but a lot of his Apple ][ knowledge has been preserved.
If you decide to let this card go, I may be interested.
I just recently learned SpeedyG left us several years ago.
There was also a bit of conversation about this card on facebook II group a few (4 or so) months ago. Many questions and after finding the docs, not sure if someone who knows German offered to translate the docs.
The dead links to the disk images are a huge step towards finding them. Searching for Apple II Documentation Project I found this:
https://comp.sys.apple2.narkive.com/cOa0ZKqW/apple-ii-documentation-project
Then I looked at the Wayback machine and found this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090514041457/http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/a2dp/
This indicates that the Apple II Documentation Project was always hosted on mirrors.apple2.org.za and nowhere else.
So the only possible step that I see is to contact the owner and see if he can recover them: https://apple2.org.za/@0x3d0g
Sorry for the previous messages, browser error :( (if an admin can delete them...)
Very good news! disk images for the AP20 are now available thanks to my friend Antoine :
https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Interface%20Cards/CPU/IBS%20AP20%20-%2068000/Disk%20Images/
I'll finally be able to test this card :)
Awesome! Please post some images or videos when you have it running!
(Also this browser error happens any time you paste emojis into Applefritter.)
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That's really great to see, nice work!!!
Since rather rare software appears miraculously in this thread may I ask if any software for ADALAB card can be found too?
It would be an awesome project if someone could replicate the 68000 card as shown, as these are so rare.
What for? A hardware without software is nearly useless (I doubt you expect numerous developers would start developing for German 68K card now).
The software is available for it now.
And as to why? I guess you could ask that question to anything related to the Apple ][, couldn't you?
One demo chess game and a booting os?Sounds enough to you?
The SW stack can be found here:
https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/Apple%20II%20Documentation%20Project/Interface%20Cards/CPU/IBS%20AP20%20-%2068000/Disk%20Images/
Have fun...