Hi everyone,
I have a Rev. A Unenhanced Apple IIe with a low serial number around 5000. I may also have the original box and an early 80col card.
Does anyone know what a system like this is worth?
Thanks,
Will
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No. No one does until you sell it. Prices of systems sold on the likes of ebay rise and fall for no particular reason.
Some random notes:
Thanks for the notes. Is $75 a decent price?
Prices of systems sold on the likes of ebay rise and fall for reasons of demand and scarcity.
You could expect more if you had matching boxes. Less if not.
Except that demand is erratic and scarcity is similarly erratic. At any given moment it can be based on as little as a single perhaps irrationally exuberant buyer or seller. There is no steady (or even trending) supply or demand.
Well I'm glad that we agree that it's not "for no particular reason."
I figured I weigh in on this one.
I've seen IIe's (not Platinum)(Unenhanced)listed for anywhere between $20.00 and $100.00 and more, depending on the following:
1. Condition: You cannot expect to get a lot for a IIe that is missing half the keys from
the keyboard, is damaged beyond recognition, is so filthy that you have to be an
archiologist to excavate the computer out of years of dirt and dust, or is not working.
2. Is it in the original box (with original packing material)? If yes, then it may be
worth a little more. If not, a little less.
3. Is it an Apple IIe in the original box, with all the paperwork, still wrapped in
it's original plastic wrap, with all cords, books, etc. and looks like it may have
come off the show room floor? Does it have an 80 Column Card? Does it have a working
Disk Drive or two? Did it come with a Sales Slip with the original Buy Date? Now you
are beginning to talk some serious cash consideration.
4. Is it a IIe that has NEVER BEEN OPENED? You are now talking somewhere between ZING!
and WOW! (There are several more levels beyond WOW!)
LOL What I'm trying to say is that IIe's come in all price ranges. BEWARE! You may see something on ebay that says one thing, but is acually something else. I have been stung more than once in the past 18 years. So you have to learn to read between the lines.
Steven
Hi guys,
The Apple IIe was my family's first computer circa 1985, not counting a short and ill-fated stint with a Coleco ADAM that lasted a few weeks before my parents decided to return it to the toy store and get a REAL computer :). We got it from our town's one and only computer store, the New England Computer Co. I think my folks paid the equivalent of $4000 in today's dollars for an Enhanced IIe, Disk II drive, green phosphor Apple monitor, and printer. I loved that machine; being a young teenager at the time, our IIe gave me countless hours of BASIC programming fun, gaming, and writing school projects. Not to mention the excitement of trading "cracked" games on floppies with friends in the school yard, ha ha!
I'd really like to get an early example of a 1982 rev.A IIe to play around with now. Anyone have a low serial number unit, say under 10,000 that they'd consider selling?
I contacted Will (the original thread poster) about buying his back in April, but strangely after a couple of nice back and forth messages with him, he's no longer responding to my follow ups.
Will, what happened? Why the shyness?
Anyhow, if anyone has a low serial no. system please message me; I'm willing to pay nice money for a nice early machine.
Thanks!
Howie
Howie,
Just keep checking for early IIe units up on eBay.
Any more no one is showing the Serial Numbers or Board Numbers for these.
I guess the sellers think that there's no differences, except for the "Enhanced" or "Platinum" versions.
There have been several listed lately that may be earlier versions.
Steven
IIRC, the Apple ][e was released JAN-1983, and the Rev A Motherboards were only out for a few months before being updated to the Rev-B Boards.. Like the Rev-0 Apple ]['s, the Rev A Boards would be upgraded to the Rev B Boards, just by the customer asking for them... Finding a Rev A will be more difficult because the numbers of people who took the upgrade, because Rev A Boards won't do Double High Res, which is a nice benefit if you have more than 64K of RAM...
The first Two years of Apple ][e's have the Lighter colored Key-caps, with the White lettering, verses the Darker colored Key-Caps with the Black lettering. Also these keyboards seem to be attached to the Bottom Pan, verses the Top Case in the later ][e's.
Chances are if the Apple ][e was not updated to a Rev B board, the Key Caps should be original too, so focus on the Auctions with the Lighter Colored Keys.. Unless they state that it is an Original Rev A board..
( Picture of the Darker Key-Caps )
IIe from first few years had painted case with white text key caps. Later Apple switched to coloured plastic and black text key caps to cut cost. The white text key caps were double injection molded, and the later black text key caps were dye sub printed.
Someone that used to work for the Keyboard Company (that was acquired by Apple early on) posted a blog (somewhere, google is your friend) describing varies phases Apple II (and Mac) keyboards went through in the duration of his employment there.
I ve got an early Apple IIe with serial number of around 6600, and has a motherboard of datecode 4382 and model 820-0084-A (607-0164 without revision letter written inside the white blank; its power supply is same as the one used in Apple II plus and SN# at around 60000 and the case should be painted one. But the key caps has black letter rather than white.
that sounds like an original Rev-A board, but the key caps are updated..
I have an Apple ][e that is made in the first couple years, but has the newer key caps...
the keyboards have a different sound.. the original apple ][e keyboards have a Harsher Sound. the newer ones with the dark key caps have a Softer Sound..
Strange though, the case and power supply styles are close to Apple II (base plate is not wrapped by the upper cover), but the keyboard is like black character type. Is it because the white characters type failed quite easily like the early Apple II datanetics keyboard or is there possibility that there is some small run of black character type in the early Apple IIe?
Michael
Would "retro-brite" or some such cleaning aid help in the value of a IIe? I'm a user based collector, and I saw where someone mentioned that user based collectors don't pay as much, and I think that's pretty true. But I do like my collection, while in use to look as if new whenever possible. The Commodore folks use a product called retro-brite to restore the color to their computers, on many of the other computers of this time period, the plastic was treated with some chemical for flame retardant or something along those lines. Did Apple use the same coating on the plastics to cause the discoloration?
I think the most likely explanation is that the entire keyboard assembly was simply swapped out with a later one for repair purposes. Remember back then no one cared at all about keeping an Apple IIe "stock" for collector purposes. They just needed their computer to work! So even if only one key failed, you can imagine a customer bringing their computer to a shop and the techs simply swapping the entire keyboard out rather than taking time to fix one broken key (the techs needed to make money, after all!). You can of course verify this by looking for any date stamps on your keyboard PCB. Or you could even pop one of the key tops off and see if the switch underneath is the early vs. later type.
I do have a few questions for you and other "early" IIe owners with units serial number<10,000: (1) Do the CD, EF, and Keyboard ROMs in yours have paper labels on them? (2) Are the RAM chips gold type? (3) Do you have a little red sticker on the board with a serial number on it?
My Rev.A motherboard from a IIe in the 11,000 serial range has a paper CD ROM label identifying it as "341-0135-A CX Firmware (c)Apple 82" which is a strange part number to me. It has gold RAM chips, and a small red sticker reading 1058778 on it. Strangely, the white box where the XX82 date code should be is empty. Either they did not write it on there, or it somehow wore off. But from date codes on the ICs my board was made no earlier than 50th week 1982.
If anyone here can look at their early Rev.A board and compare those features, I'd be very interested!
Thanks,
Howie
1) My 6600+ IIe has rev A CD and EF ROMs with marking printed in the IC itself, as for keyboard ROMs there is a printed stick saying rev B from Apple.
2) RAM chips are ceramic type, not gold
3) A little red circle stick put under datecode stamp, with a B or 8 mark inside it
As for datecode, I believe from high serial number Apple II plus, they started to use stamp instead of handwriting, my datecode is 4382, when Apple II plus were still in production run. There is also a datecode stamp on the lining of the case "18 9 1982"
Michael
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the details of your system. I am still curious why my system has a CD ROM with a different part number. I cannot find anything online about "341-0135-A".
The latest IC date stamp is 8249, found at C61.
Howie
HI Howie,
My "CD" ROM also has a 341-0135-A printed on the IC itself (but not on a stick). My motherboard datecode is 8243 (case serial 6000+), let me check the latest IC datecode on my motherboard and probably can give some more clue on your motherboard.
By the way, how do you attach the photo? I press "Insert/edit image" button on the far left but just display a inline image sentence..
Michael
So your "CD" ROM also has a "341" part number, not the "342" number indicated next to the socket on the motherboard? I wonder what the differences are, since I believe the "342" part was the standard ROM on Apple IIe.
Re: the picture, it is linking to the photo that I have on an image hosting site. It is not really attached to the message.
Howie
The SilkScreen, between the Slots and the Back, near the APPLE COMPUTER INC, "820-0064-A 1982", along with the ROM Labels and Copyright Dates and the Ceramic and Gold RAM Chips would seem to indicate a Rev-A Apple ][e.
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I just checked and the correct part number of my CD ROM should be 342, both 341 and 342 prefixes are supposed to be used for ROMs and there is no pattern as to when 341 and 342 are used as both 341 and 342 prefixes were also used in later IIGS and IIc. I too cannot find a part number called 341-0135A from yhr web and while yours is printed on a sticker, is there possibility that the one who printed the label made a typo? It looks like the ROM was made by a company called "CX Firmware".
My CD ROM has a datecode of 8232 (marking directly on the IC surface) and same standard package from Synertek (with a logo"S") as EF ROM. The earliest IC datecode is 8033 and latest is 8242, which are earlier than yours and this may suggest that 341-0135A may not be prototype or earlier version of 342-0135A.
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