Hello All,
Is it normal for an Apple IIe to run quiet hot. Nothing is buying but if I touch the cards they are pretty warm. Guess having no fans inside does not help. Can I use my Apple IIe for hours on end without it buying out?
Thanks,
Rob
Hello All,
Is it normal for an Apple IIe to run quiet hot. Nothing is buying but if I touch the cards they are pretty warm. Guess having no fans inside does not help. Can I use my Apple IIe for hours on end without it buying out?
Thanks,
Rob
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I one put a thermometer in the case of my IIe running with 8 cards, the lid on, and a TV screen on top. After 10 minutes, I registered the temperature as just above 90 degrees Fahrenheit. The room temperature was around 65.
To answer your question, no, it is not a good idea to let the system run so hot for long period of time. It is good to have a fan. Thermal expansion also causes the IC legs to come loose from their sockets.
It is a well known problem throughout the entire II-series that the powersupplies are rather weak in the calculation...
it is a good idea to execute some mathwork to calculate the real needs at the powersource - specially if you use more than 2 simple drives and 3 to 4 cards in the system... some RAM-cards have high demand to the 5 volt branch and more then 2 drives have a tooo high demand to the 12 volt branch.... a system with 6 cards or more surely should be equipped with a thirdparty heavy duty supply.... the normal supply only gives 4 Ampere at the 5 volt branch and 1,5 Ampere at the 12 volt branch - compared with a heavy duty supply that delivers 7,5 Ampere at the 5 volt branch and 2 Ampere at the 12 volt branch.... if the supply is forced to give to much power the lifecycle of the powersupply is lowered dramaticaly and the electrolytic-capacitors running hot will die rather fast.... the systems should not exceed a temperature of 40 degrees celsius.... the only two solutions: upgrading the power supply or working only with the needed cards in the system and leaving unused cards unplugged outside of the system ..... if using external drives ( not APPLE II Drives but drives with shugart-bus i.e.34-pin cable ) like Teac in external cases to be equipped with own powersource... and one fan at the backside pulling air out from the case will help only a little....
I used to worry about that as well when my II+ and later IIe were my main computer. I'd tried things like the Kensington System Saver fan but there were times when the noise bothered me. My solution was to build a monitor stand a couple inches higher than the computer and leave the top off. It also made it handy when i wanted access to the inside as all I had to do was slide the computer forward.
My general rule I've followed for 30+ years:
Apple II+ or Apple //e(unenhanced), anything more than a 2 or 3 basic cards I'd connect my system saver fan. And by basic cards I mean a 16k ramcard, serial or parallel board, and disk controller.
For the Apple //e(enhanced chipset with cooler running cpu), I could add in 1 or 2 cards in addition to the above provided they were low power, and still not need a fan.
The situation gets better for the //e platinum with less rom and ram chips.
I installed a fan inside one of my "Darth Vader" II+ computers a few years back. I ran it off of the 12V lead to the motherboard and have never had a problem with it. Quiet too.
throughout the past few years i have been hunting in my local electronic-shops for small switchingpower-supplies from thirdparty manufacturers and i have found several supplies with 120 Watt to 140 Watt that fitted in the regular powersupplycase... so i moved the eletronic content from one case to the other - with the result that such a supply thereafter in the case of the standardsupply delivered 10 Ampere at the 5 Volt branch, 3 Ampere at the 12 Volt branch and 0,5 Ampere to the - 5 volt and another 0,5 Ampere to the - 12 volt branch - and in several cases it was even possible to integrate a 12 Volt 0,3 A fan in the standardsupplycase too....
that permits me for example to use a apple II europlus with the following configuration:
ZIP8000 Chip,
Slot 1: Parallel-Printercard,
Slot 2: Superserialcard II,
Slot 3: videx 80 Colum Card,
Slot 4: ALS-Z80B Card with additional 64 kByte,
Slot 5: 1 MByte Cirtech Plusram Card,
Slot 6: Apple 5,25 Disk controller with Duo-Disk-Drive connected
Slot 7: CFFA Card Vers. 2 with 1 GB CF Card.
I guess nobody will doubt this to be called an System with heavy load..... but i work for hours in programming with aztec-c or with Pascal under CPM 3.0...... and the gameport is used as Input/Output Controller for external measurement equipment....
and i use 2 IIe models with similar "heavy load" inside ... one is "non enhanced" and the other one is enhanced...
for another example the "unenhanced" IIe:
Slot 1: Parallel Printer card
Slot 2: Super Serial Card II
Slot 3: RAMFAST II with 1 MB RAM
Slot 4: 68008 Card
Slot 5: Speechinput System
Slot 6: erphi Controller with 2 external TEAC 55F drives in external case with each drive 640 kB capacity
and own external powersupply
Slot 7: RAMfast SCSI Card
with external SCSI Tower and own power supply containing 3 SCSI Harddisks, 1 SCSI CDROM-Drive and 1 IOmega SCSI Jazzdrive ( 1 GB per changable Disk )
and at the end of the chain another external Syquest 44 MB harddisk-Cartridge system with interchangeble Harddiskcartridges.
both of them are populated "complete" with cards ( i.e. all 7 slots are used )....
without the "heart-transplantation" of the powersupplies this would have never become possible....
all systems are running since months stabile.....