Apple IIe Internet email ...

Great job! This is what it is all about, my friends!

Hey,

That's really neat. But. . . . what service do you dial into to get text only email service? Is someone still running Proterm networks? I forgot to look for that.

Also, if I remember correctly, ProTerm can only operate a modem as fast as 19,200 baud. Is it really running at 56k, or is that just for show?

BTW I PM'd you about the FDHD.

Mutant_Pie

You don't need dial up. I have the Uther card which gives TCP/IP ethernet to your Apple IIplus/IIe, or IIgs. Contiki gives you a text based browser. Works pretty good too. It can even auto DHCP!

Vince

Here's my guess on this:

I remember reading somewhere that a Mac Plus won't take anything faster than 19,200 baud as well. I used to use a 28.8 on my Plus back in the day, but it could only go as fast as 19,200. It could be the 56K on the IIe is doing the same thing.

That's pretty sweet getting all that on a computer first made in 1983! Name ANY 1983 DOS box that can do that!

That's pretty sweet getting all that on a computer first made in 1983! Name ANY 1983 DOS box that can do that!

Uhm, the
IBM 5150? Or does it only count if yours was made in 1983, not 1981?

There's a *lot* of internet software for DOS, so that's probably a bad comparison to make. I used to get online with my Toshiba T1100+ laptop (A dual floppy XT compatible) via PPP through its 1200 bps modem (yes, ouch.) back in the stone age.

--Peace

That's pretty sweet getting all that on a computer first made in 1983! Name ANY 1983 DOS box that can do that!

ProTerm is just a terminal emulator, so the vast majority of computers can do that.

I've browsed the web on a TRS-80 Model 100, in fact.

Is that a Seiko Datagraph in those pictures as well?

Stone age? I guess starting off with a 2400 modem on my single floppy 1MB Amiga 500 would make me from the Bronze Age?

And, yes, I did dial in to a UNIX shell account and used a special program to run an IP connection that ran through the text dial up. This was a PPP alternative, as PPP wasn't quite developed yet, and SLIP wasn't great for dialup, IIRC. I don't remember, but it did work. I still remember browsing the web in text mode, and downloading my first image. It needed an external viewer, but I got to see a pic of a tyrannosaur that came from "somewhere" out in the internet ether. Previously it had been BBS only. Man,

I've browsed the web on a TRS-80 Model 100, in fact.

Speaking of which, i just aqcuired one today. Got any idea on how I can go about doing that? I got the 24KB Ram one. Plus tape and Micro controllers (just for fun) It has the modem, but how would I program it?

I've browsed the web on a TRS-80 Model 100, in fact.

Speaking of which, i just aqcuired one today. Got any idea on how I can go about doing that? I got the 24KB Ram one. Plus tape and Micro controllers (just for fun) It has the modem, but how would I program it?

See my Retrocomputing column in Volume 2 of Make or visit the Club 100 website.

Being a Model T owner m'self (Tandy Model 102... look, see, it's there in my signature), you might want to peruse Club 100. These are wonderfully tough computers; God knows I love mine. Been using one since 1990, bought this one in 1997. There are plenty of resources there. Just noticed; his links are gone. Hmmm. Being as he sells and refurbs these things, we may be looking at a marketing decision there. Here is a link to a page featuring pinouts for our beloved Model T's. Oh, and here (the parent directory of the previous link, by the way) is another good page.
Hope that helps!

Rob
(EDIT) Had a bunch of typos and bad links. That fixed it.

I know that the Uther card can be plugged into a II+ or IIe, but I thought that there is only a firmware driver/support for the IIGS. Can you confirm this either way?

Mutant_Pie

This project is outstanding! I inquired a long while
back (on the old Applefritter Forum) about using an
Apple II based computer to get onto the Internet to
do E-Mails and such. Not much feedback. Now someone
has actually done it and it's not that difficult!
Great! Let's keep this thread going and get some more
feedback on this. Just goes to show that old Apples
don't die!

How about some specifics on the hardware? What about
that 3 1/2" drive? What card did you use for the
modem hookup?

The Uthernet card comes with drivers for the Apple IIe. I have been 'surfing the web' with my Apple IIe Platinum for almost a year now. It really is a different world. Pop ups, Ha... Viruses, Ha... B.S. Dialers, HaHaHa. No graphics, but if raw information is what you are looking for then this is the way to do it.

I don't use dialup, I have DSL. I use a Ethernet 10/100 network hub for my Apple II and my PC.

telnet != european telenet telnet is a normal internet service that is to run over TCP/IP.

Yes to both questions. I will try to borrow a camera this weekend and take some pics.

6502enhanced and others,
Thanks for starting a thread along these lines. It has given me a boost to finish getting my IIgs on the net (lacking the ethernet card), and a desire to get my IIe there as well. I hadn't been looking Apple II hardware in a year or so, and at the time (to my knowledge) the LanceGS was the only NIC around- and I could never seem to manage the price. I'm glad to see the Uthernet card.

I'll surf Applefritter from my IIgs and IIe yet! Thanks y'all.

Mike

cool, looks good!

What does the label on the drive say? I've got a very similar drive, but I'm pretty sure it's an 800k. I could be wrong... Were all the drives in a similar style in various capacities? I've got another Apple drive that doesn't have the eject buttton, so I'm pretty sure that one is a Mac drive, and may be an 800k as well.

Does your old drive look similar to the new one? Mine does say "3.5 drive" on it, and it has a passthrough port to chain another drive onto it, so I know it's an A2 drive. My Mac drive says "800k drive" and it has no eject button, and a smaller case.

Thanks, that's just the kind of picture I wa hoping for. At least know I know to keep checking the similar looking drives for an actual SuperDrive label, asht ehy aren't visually different just from the case. IU wish I had paid attention to this more about 4 years ago, as I might have found several super drives in a huge load of //gs stuff that came though Surplus Exchange. ;(

Here's a similar project but is focused on updating rather than using old hardware to use new protocols:

http://www.bensinclair.com/article/apple-iie-ethernet