Help with a non powering Apple iie

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Help with a non powering Apple iie

Hello!

Although I'm new here I have been on the 68KMLA forums for a while. Anyways, I've mentioned this because the problem I'm having had also been discussed over on that forum, but since they're more 68K Mac oriented, help has been a bit scarce.  

https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/buzzing-noise-from-apple-iie-transistor.48497/#post-544983

 

So! My problem is, my Apple IIe won't turn on, and there was a buzzing noise coming from the transistor. Originally, the transistor was making a clicking noise, and the power led would blink on and off, then the clicking got faster and the led didn't turn on at all. Eventually the transistor made a pop and now nothing turns on it seems. I've replaced C15 and C17 with an equivalent 16V 10UF capacitor and still no dice.

 

Any thoughts? Thanks :)

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You either have a short in

When you say  "noise was coming from the transistor", what transistor are you referring to?

Are you talking about the power supply?

 

You either have a short in the low voltage section of the power supply or a short in one of the four voltage rails in the computer motherboard.

If it is a motherboard voltage rail short, then most likely it is in the +5volt rail.  

I would wager a guess, though, that if your machine was working properly before and it suddently stopped, that the problem is in the power supply itself.

But since your power supply is probablty toast now anyway, I would suggest getting another power supply, or better yet, buy a Universal Power Supply Replacement Kit from ReActive Micro.

I am not affiliated with RM nor am I earning money off of this advice, but the link is here:

https://www.reactivemicro.com/product/universal-psu-kit/

 

 

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baldrick wrote:When you say  
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When you say  "noise was coming from the transistor", what transistor are you referring to?

Are you talking about the power supply?

 

You either have a short in the low voltage section of the power supply or a short in one of the four voltage rails in the computer motherboard.

If it is a motherboard voltage rail short, then most likely it is in the +5volt rail.

yes, the power supply. Where is the low voltage section of the board? Another thing, you say the psu is likely toast, is that true? I wouldn't mind buying the new psu you recommended, but if it's possible to replace a few diodes, I'd do that as well. I've replaced C9-17 on the motherboard, which didn't fix the problem.

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The low voltage section is

The low voltage section is the section after the switching section that regulates the +/-5 volts and +/-12 volts.  It is on the output side of the power supply.

I would recommend if you don't have a good knowledge of how the power supply works to simply replace it altogether, rather than throwing parts at it.

 

I can't elaborate further or offer any more repair advice without knowing if you have an Astec power supply or a DynaComp power supply in your IIe.  

 

My advice for the universal power supply replacement kits stands regardless of which power supply you have - the kit will work in both.

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baldrick wrote:The low
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The low voltage section is the section after the switching section that regulates the +/-5 volts and +/-12 volts.  It is on the output side of the power supply.

I would recommend if you don't have a good knowledge of how the power supply works to simply replace it altogether, rather than throwing parts at it.

 

I can't elaborate further or offer any more repair advic

Whoops, it's a Dynacomp

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Anonymoose wrote:Whoops, it's
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Whoops, it's a Dynacomp

 

Then get rid of it! It's a cheapified version of the ASTEC which is a tank. The Dynacomp is crap, at least that's my $0.02.

 

Your problem very likley can be fixed, but it's clear you don't know what you're doing so that will be an uphill trek. Safest for all to just say get something else.

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Anonymoose wrote:Whoops, it's
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Whoops, it's a Dynacomp

 

 

If you don't yet have the knowledge and/or equipment and want to save the original PSU, you can always try a recap. 

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Anonymoose wrote:Whoops, it's
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Whoops, it's a Dynacomp

 

 There is very little information about Dynacomp supplies out there.  I don't have a schematic for it, and I know from experience that when they fail it's often with the feedback optoisolator section and repairing that is tricky.

I treat Dynacomp power supplies as disposable units.

That said, I have a working Dynacomp PCB in my spares pile that I removed in favour of a Universal PSU kit.  

Message me if you want to buy it.

 

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Dynacomp PS untrustworthy
baldrick wrote:
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Whoops, it's a Dynacomp
I agree with Baldrick and in general with others in this thread.  Dynacomp PS seem to be not only less common , but far less reliable and trustworthy tha ASTEC PSs.  The manner in which you have asked the questions in this thread indicate you don't have a lot of knowledge related to PS repair and it can be dangerous.  Furthermore, stable power is a necessary basis for more advanced troubleshooting.  I love the modern RM replacement PS and own several, especially if I'm going to load the machine with 4+ interface cards.  It slides right in the original case and nobody will ever see it and you would be confident you have reliable power. I second replacement rather than repair in this situation.
 
 
 
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Welp, here's something ironic. I bought the Reactive Micro replacement PSU. Very easy to install, but it doesn't work! Not the best with multimeters, but I am getting continuity between all the wires, not sure if there's anything wrong? Thought I'd post here just to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. Any thoughts? Thanks!
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Poking around again today,
Poking around again today, wanted to confirm if the underside is normal? Seems like the solder is touching a few of the components, like C15, R17, D13, etc.
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aperture openings are normal

Opening the soldermask aperture is one of the ways power supply designers allow for higher currents (higher power levels). So yes, this is something that is normal to see on a power supply board.

This forum frequently provides troubleshooting help for antique computer equipment, but for a brand new product it probably makes more sense to persue a warranty claim with the vendor.

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Gotcha! I'll email them

Gotcha! I'll email them shortly. Also, I believe there may be an issue with the C14 connector. Would there be a suitable replacement for that whole thing?

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Not surprised by the RM's

Not surprised by the RM's approach to resell cheap Chinese power supply unit, and mount such on top of RM's blank PCB. There are tons of PC PSUs scrapped these days. Find one that has all voltages including -5V for a buck or two and adapt it for your Apple2s. 

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retro_devices wrote:Not
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Not surprised by the RM's approach to resell cheap Chinese power supply unit, and mount such on top of RM's blank PCB. There are tons of PC PSUs scrapped these days. Find one that has all voltages including -5V for a buck or two and adapt it for your Apple2s. 

I disagree with the intent of this comment.

All power supplies come from China nowadays. so why the negative comment? 

Stuff sold by RM has always been well supported by Henry Courbis at RM, and he's always replaced any product that could be considered defective, and has taken back items that were perfectly fine.  The intent of the universal power supply replacement kit (as I understand it) is to provide a very nicely packaged upgrade and repair pathway for even the marginally skilled DIYer.  For the completely unskilled person there is also the complete PSU in a case ready to drop in and go.

Getting a scrap PSU from a PC is also problematic.  99% of those are ATX supplies and require phantom power to turn on.  Plus they're chunky units designed for PC cases, not Apple cases.

Sure you could get one to work, but why bother adapting an ATX unit to an Apple II?  Makes little sense to do so.

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Anonymoose wrote:Welp, here's
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Welp, here's something ironic. I bought the Reactive Micro replacement PSU. Very easy to install, but it doesn't work! Not the best with multimeters, but I am getting continuity between all the wires, not sure if there's anything wrong? Thought I'd post here just to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. Any thoughts? Thanks!

Elaborate on "it doesn't work".  Are you getting +5V?  +12V?  -5V?  -12V?

None of the above?  Some of the above?  Is 120V getting to the power supply?  Is the switch faulty?  The noise filter?

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comments about EMI filtering
Anonymoose wrote:

I believe there may be an issue with the C14 connector. Would there be a suitable replacement for that whole thing?

Is the Schaffner inlet module original to the Apple? Schaffner is one of those names that raises hackles, like Rifa. Those inlet filter cans contain metallized paper capacitors—equivalent to the Rifa caps—that are known for flaming out. To test it you may need an insulation tester ("Megger"): each pin of the C14 inlet should have a very low resistance to its corresponding outlet, and the pins not corresponding should have high resistance at 1 KV.

I'm not sure if you really need an EMI filter module, since the power supply has its own EMI filter and there is a big ferrite bead besides. You may be able to replace it with a plain C14 socket. If you need a filter there, the Schurter 3-101-140 is available from DigiKey for around $6 and should be equivalent to that Schaffner.

Speaking of the ferrite bead, I don't think you are using it correctly (and you probably should not use it at all). You are looping the neutral and ground through it and not the live wire: this is not how they are supposed to be used. The ground stud should also be wired to the ground pin of the power module because it has its own EMI filter network which requires it.

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